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Old 11-28-2005, 05:11 PM
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I have a question about female frontosa that I hope someone can help me with. From my understanding, it takes anywhere from 60-90 days for a female to spawn again. (I know this is different for every female) So lets say she spawns today, we'll call it day 1. I also understand she will spit her eggs around day 28. Then, hopefully, she will spawn again on day 60 and the process will start over again. Any mistakes so far?

My first question is, does stripping her effect this cycle at all?

Meaning, will she spawn again on day 60 if I strip her at day 5? Or does the cycle speed up or slow down depending on if you strip or let them carry? Any ideas?

My second question is, does stripping effect the size of the next batch?

If the female doesn't eat for 28 straight days, that is quite a bit of nutrients that would be used to make a lot of eggs. More nutrients might go to keep her alive and fatten her back up once she starts eating again and the amount of eggs would suffer.

Also, now that I think of it if a female doesn't eat for 28 days then spawns again at day 60 letting the process start again, she really doesn't eat almost half of the time for all of her adult life. Right?

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Old 11-28-2005, 07:34 PM
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for me its 60-90 days turnaround.
say i let a female hold for 30 days, then she will spawn again in 60-90 days from spitting, not the spawn.
if she has not had food for 30 days, takes a bit of energy to build up the eggs again.
maybe some have had a 30 day turnaround time with Cyphos, but mine is about 60-90.
i could strip on day 2, but it will still be about 60 more days till the next spawn. maybe a bit less 45-70?
i would say a males favorite female does not eat for 1/3 of her REPRODUCTIVE period of her life.
hold 1 month.
2 months eating.
hold 1 month.
2 months eating.
etc....
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:39 PM
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My 6.5" female spawn 89 days after I stripe her from day 1.
My 6" female spawn 112 day after I stripe her from day 1.

I do believe striping will help her on reproduce faster. She will recover better say comparing to if you let her hold full term. I will let you know how long the turn around is cause after I striped the 6.5" female, I let her hold till full term for 10 frys. then her next spawn should be the turn around days for her.

I don't think striping will affect the numbers of eggs. It is more food/water/size dependent. I had one 3" burundi female who held full term for 45 frys.

And holding fish does eat. I have seen them taking in small amount of food. They will rotate the eggs under the food and swallow the food. Rather or not if eggs can be swallowed in the process, I don't know. But they do eat, very little amount.

I hope this help.
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There is another thing to consider here...stripping may not be "healthier" in the long run.

I say this with some caution as I am sure some here will disagree with me. But as I understand it by stripping them, you are rushing them back into the breeding cycle and given the correct setting could probably be ready to breed within 30-40 days. This means they will breed 9-12 times a year. But this is not natural. In nature the full cycle would be 90-120 days...meaning 3-4 times a year.

Essentially you are putting 3 times the strain on your females bodies. Eventually, this will take its toll, and I believe will result in her becoming sterile earlier and possibly effecting her life span.

I understand there are cases that you have no choice as your females will not hold and that is a different issue. And I am sure few people here are trying to purposely over breed their Fronts. I just thought the warning might be appropriate given the topic...that you should be careful if you are stripping and try to keep them to a cycle that keeps them breeding around 3-4 times a year.
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very true, JB. But even with striping, my females goes 89 days and 112 days from day 1. So they are right at the range of 90-120 days. And I have not had any data since my female has not spawn yet since I let her spawn and hold full term on her last spawn.
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Thanks for the responses. It does clear some things up for me.

I guess the way you could really tell is count how many times in the year they breed. Take two equal females (how you make sure of that, I don't know!) strip one, let the other hold and see how many times in the year they breed and how many fry they produce.
I understand your concern JB. You wouldn't want to strip at the expense of the female but to figure out you are harming the female would be difficult to do. I just don't think it would harm her anymore than having her not eat for 4 straight weeks.
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hi there

here is when my biggest female has spawned over the last year and a bit


Date Spawned Date Stripped Free Swim
Cinderella Fronny 29/11/2004 lost lost
Cinderella Fronny 17/01/2005 22/01/2005 02/02/2005
Cinderella Fronny 08/03/2005 13/03/2005 28/03/2005
Cinderella Fronny 03/05/2005 08/05/2005 25/05/2005
Cinderella Fronny 25/06/2005 29/06/2005 23/07/2005
Cinderella Fronny 04/09/2005 08/09/2005 10/10/2005
Cinderella Fronny 05/11/2005 10/11/2005 30/11/2005

these are as close as i can record them
all batches over 20 but the last batch was 65

hope this helps a bit
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I don't know what to say... either you have a very busy male or a very "hungry" female

Good job recording those.
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I don't know what to say... either you have a very busy male or a very "hungry" female

Good job recording those.
thanks Charles

yes male very busy he has 6 other females to deal with as well and there stats read like above as well

i my females are like clock work not sure why but i am enjoying it very much
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LOL! I had trouble reading your dates since I'm not used to reading the date/month/year format.

Great job recording the dates of the female. I see you strip you female on day 4 or 5. I also see there is about a 65 day (2 month) turn around.

Thanks That helps a lot! Now how do you think that would be different if you let her hold to term?
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