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View Poll Results: Do bottled bacteria work with cycling a Tank ?
Yes good brands work 36 72.00%
They work only sometimes 3 6.00%
No they do not work 3 6.00%
They work only when I was told the parameters to maintain 1 2.00%
I dont care, would rather do a fishless cycle with Ammonia 7 14.00%
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:49 PM
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:44 PM
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My 1st tank took me 23 days to cycle with Ammonia addition. Next one took only 16days. Perhaps the learning curve. I do keep bottled bacteria but add it only when I feel that I have overfed or before leaving for holidays. Good brands work perhaps but I have never tried them out so really cant comment. I use API's Stresszyme & Nitridac from the company Prodac.
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An good brand will help to get your tank started.
Once a tank is up and running i don't see the point to keep using it.
If you got a well balanced tank the bacteria will maintain themselfs.
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I recently setup a new 125 and used Dr Tim's One and Only, worked great.
This is the tank I moved my 9 WC Kitumba's into, size around 4".
Here is what I did.

Setup up the tank added water treated with Prime, Seachem Cichlid salt, and Malawi Buffer. Matched water parameters of the tank they were in at the time.

Filtration Eheim G160 and 2226 new media

Let the tank run for 3-4

Added Dr Tim's directly into the Eheim intakes via the twist off port.

Added the fish

Fed more than I should have but not crazy.
After 3 days no ammonia or nitrite.
On the 4th day I changed out the Bio media in the 2226 with Bio media from one of the Eheims on the tank they came from.
I don't think I needed to do this media change but we were going to be out of town and did not want to take the risk.

I trust it
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I also have used Dr Tim's. The trick is to add it to your filter, and Only after fish have been established and feeding begins.
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Though I have never used Dr.Tim's product (unavailable in my country), I have heard that its good and they used his product in setting up public aquariums in the US. BTW, I am by no means endorsing his products, LOL.

In one particular discussion with him in another forum, he mentioned certain points to clear up misconception regarding his products.
1. His product (the bacteria in the bottle) is different from other products since most co's bottle the bacterias developed from sewerage plants and these nitrifying bacteria are not the same species to the ones in a tank.
2. Bacteria dont die in the bottle in absence of oxygen/food but become dormant
3. Never let the Ammonia cross 5ppm during setups, since the bacteria wont work properly
4. The conversion of ammonia to nitrite and nitrite to nitrate are what is called "first order reactions". This means the rate of the conversion of the ammonia/nitrite depends on the concentration of the ammonia/nitrite. The more ammonia/nitrite the faster the rate. So if you have two bacteria and one was in a liquid with 1 mg/L NH3-N and the other in a liquid with 2 mg/L NH3-N, the bacterium in the 2 mg/L NH3-N solution would be converting the ammonia faster than the bacterium in the 1 mg/L NH3-N solution.
5. Bacteria is more stable in a stable tank (tank setup for long vs a new setup) because these bacteria form a Biofilm which protect it. Just like our teeth.

Heres a short video with Dr.Tim
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Bacterial product actually works, study finds

Think you know filter bacteria? Dream on…
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Thanks Neutrinoman.

I had actually asked Dr.Tim to provide me the links to his work in this area in another forum. Dr. Tim was kind to provide them and I really liked reading them. I am grateful that Dr.Tim took the time in answering my questions (and they were so many), inspite of his busy schedule. Here they are, you can download the full pdf versions :
http://www.drtimsaquatics.com/resour...entific-papers

There was another issue "Decay rate of Nitrifiers" that I wanted to know more about. I found this link, though its just the extract.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...60852408002009
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To add more info to my experience with Dr Tim's

I picked up my 9 Kitumba's from Greg (Little Africa Aquatics) on July 20th.

They settled into a 65 gal aquarium for a little over two weeks

I moved them into my newly setup 125 on Aug 4th and added the Dr Tim's

Contacted Greg on Aug 14th to talk about what looked like a female having dropped her tube. These fish are small this female being only 3.5" I was concerned it may have been something else. Greg said to keep an eye on her and watch to see if she was eating. The next day I did a water change late in the evening. The next morning I fed them and watched this fish to see if she was eating and she did not. She ran up on the pellet and let it roll off her nose. She then went behind a large rock, as she came back into view I noticed it looked like she had food in her mouth. That is when I realized she was not eating but tumbling eggs in her mouth.

At this point I pretty much thought I was losing my mind. I was reluctant to verify she was holding by pulling her out. Being so small and having little confidence that the spawn would be successful I figured it would be best just to let her hold as long as possible. Plus I was very confident she was indeed holding.

Friday Aug 17th she has spit

So that is my first experience with Dr Tim's

Here is the video I shot of her with an iPhone.

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Hey Matt, Congrats and a nice video I liked the big boulders and the blue lighting in your tank. You mentioned that the female was just around 3.5". Whats the size of your alpha male ?

Anyways here is a good but an old article on aquarium filtration & water chemistry by Dr. Tim
http://web.archive.org/web/200707141...es/29Myths.asp
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